coffee guzzlers cafe - sunnyside-up-eggs

I mean what's its use

it's just a text editor

Yeah

you can have extensions thru it if you install a manager

Yeah

04:27

04:27

Does not seem like much to it

it's very simple*

04:27

asterisk is there for a reason lmao

Then why it is hard to use

04:27

oh

04:27

it's just the commands are out of the ordinary for people that've never used it

04:28

like to quit it's :q

I can press esc button for that

and it doesn't start in edit mode, you have to press a or i to enter append/insert mode

or alt+f4

just switch the breaker off

Xarvatium

and it doesn't start in edit mode, you have to press a or i to enter append/insert mode

Yeah there is button insert on the keyboard.

04:29

literally a single key.

04:29

You press it, and it does it

04:29

Uoou-Not-the-egg

Yeah there is button insert on the keyboard.

insert DEEZ NUTS IN YO MOUTH

04:30

doesnuts

indeed

So are you a programmer

04:30

what you write daily

04:31

i dont program a lot but i know some languages

04:31

i used to do it a lot in HS but burned myself out and just got back into it

04:31

mainly for college

So what would you want to program if you had everything

04:32

wdym?

I mean you know programming languages, there must be a reason for that

04:32

well i got bored but right now im working on a program that scrapes a page of the arch forums for broken packages, compares it to your installed packages, and alerts you if it finds anything

04:33

deeez

04:33

Arch

do you use arch?

I probably never tried

04:34

but I looked around and was like "These can't be good, I better go take a look at Linux from scratch"

04:34

And it was also not good.

lol

So I was like why not interface with the kernel directly

based

@Uoou-Not-the-egg https://nelua.io/

Nelua

Minimal, simple, efficient, statically typed, compiled, meta programmable, safe and extensible systems programming language with a Lua flavor.

Xarvatium

webstorm?

i used webstorm a lot like 4-5 years ago

11:01

but then vscode's ts/js LSP got really really good

11:02

webstorm wouldn't resolve random one-off packages that you make in a folder just because

makes sense considering who owns TS and code

ye

@Uoou-Not-the-egg have you heard of ReiserFS

11:20

https://www.wired.com/2012/07/linux-guru-returns-to-court/

Convicted of Murder, Linux Guru Hans Reiser Returns to Court to Fig...

Four years after being convicted of killing his wife, Linux guru Hans Reiser returns Monday to court, this time to defend himself from a wrongful-death suit brought by his two children. The developer of the ReiserFS filesystem now claims he killed his wife, Nina, out of love for the divorcing couple's two children.

11:21

one of the peak kino moments in GNU history

Uoou-Not-the-egg

But I'm not sure about vim usability.

some people swear by vim

11:30

although in 2022 gvim >>>>>>> vim

mfw power is out

tongue

@Uoou-Not-the-egg have you heard of ReiserFS

The name looks familiar

13:04

Xarvatium

@Uoou-Not-the-egg https://nelua.io/

Too many end statements, that's one of the downside for most of the lua family programming languages.

Daily egg tips Simulating a click on a website like Discord. https://imgur.com/ktcVRuu (edited)

13:14

Open up dev console and paste this JavaScript to simulate a click on Discord and other websites.

    var clickEvent = document.createEvent("MouseEvents");
    clickEvent.initMouseEvent("click", true, true, window, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0,
        false, false, false, false, 0, null);

    var element = document.querySelectorAll('[aria-label="bot (text channel)"]')[0];
    element.dispatchEvent(clickEvent);

This one will take you to the #bot channel (edited)

13:16

In this way, It's possible to script things in userscript and automate things maybe?

13:16

Probably yes.

at this point you are reinventing https://betterdiscord.app/plugins

The Discord Enhancement Project

BetterDiscord extends the functionality of DiscordApp by enhancing it with new features.

13:18

Oh, no. This one is pure general JavaScript, I just used Discord as an example to show that it works.

13:19

13:19

Learn by testing and observing.

13:19

Egg tips.

13:20

I'll try to automate one thing with this newfound click simulation.

13:20

Got tired of clicking things.

13:20

Also would be good for cookie clicker maybe.

13:20

To script a cookie clicker bot.

13:27

90% of the time, the JavaScript is unreadable on websites.

13:27

People are dumb

13:27

Why would you do that

13:28

oh, the performance optimisation, the size of the javascript is reduced.

13:29

Well how about writing JavaScript without dumb frameworks that are unreadable to use.

13:29

Litterally calling things all over the place and wasting CPU

13:30

Ain't automating things with JavaScript I guess.

13:30

Not going to do a reverse engineering

13:31

For every single website.

Uoou-Not-the-egg

90% of the time, the JavaScript is unreadable on websites.

https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/performance/why-minify-javascript-code/

Why minify JavaScript code? | Cloudflare

Minification modifies JavaScript files and makes them compact, thereby improving website performance.

13:33

https://publiccode.eu/

Public Money, Public Code

Public Money, Public Code - A campaign for releasing publicly financed software as Free Software

13:34

13:34

Public domain money

tongue

https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/performance/why-minify-javascript-code/

Compile a website to binary, when. Oh yes the webassembly.

13:36

We will soon be reading websites in binary. That's efficient for the computers to process. (edited)

13:37

Wait, almost forgot, the websites are for humans.

going to try to mix markdown and javascript in blog

13:38

this is my brain now

13:38

going crazy over kubernetes, need a break

Uoou-Not-the-egg

We will soon be reading websites in binary. That's efficient for the computers to process. (edited)

https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/wasm.html

13:41

Soon one day we are going to see GNOME in webassembly.

kubernetes

Uoou-Not-the-egg

kubernetes

The word itself makes me vomit

Uoou-Not-the-egg

kubernetes

Really, if you can't choose a name for a project, you shouldn't be programming at all.

https://www.qt.io/web-assembly-example-pizza-shop?hsCtaTracking=e97265b8-ec7f-4652-b052-d26b8875166d%7Ce09e2ec9-4b23-4528-8d66-448a523b7e64

Web Assembly Example - Pizza Shop | Qt

Web Assembly support in browsers is evolving rapidly. Check Web Assembly Example - QML Chart demo running in your browser.

13:45

Why learn HTML, when you can be master in C++ and Qt and WebAssembly and asm.js and emcc and render to <canvas> like you are making a webGL browser game, for the sake of making pizza ordering app. (edited)

13:45

this is the future of the web.

13:45

somebody is going to port GTK to web.

13:45

HTML will become obsolete. Everybody will become master in GTK or QT and fitt's law.

13:46

or maybe https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-overview.html

Kotlin for JavaScript | Kotlin

13:46

Kotlin.JS

13:46

lol

13:46

whatever the fuck that is

tongue

Why learn HTML, when you can be master in C++ and Qt and WebAssembly and asm.js and emcc and render to <canvas> like you are making a webGL browser game, for the sake of making pizza ordering app. (edited)

I mean if it was as integrated into browsers just like JavaScript, and wpould be simple, easy to use to automate things and enhance websites - I would never again use JavaScript.

13:48

13:49

Perfect course.

13:50

also

13:50

13:51

>qt website >promoting webassembly and layouts

tongue

Click to see attachment 🖼️

13:51

>actually using reactJS (edited)

13:52

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59708546/access-the-dom-in-webassembly

Access the DOM in WebAssembly

I have recently started using WebAssembly for some of my projects. I am doing this because I heard that Wasm is faster than javaScript. When I actually started my first Wasm project, I realized tha...

13:52

it doesnt seem possible to access DOM like document.getElementById or similar selectors inside the C++ in webassembly

13:52

that's why people are doing stupid things like Qt in webassembly

13:52

they just treat it like desktop development

Really all I want is Improved JavaScript with good documentation and simplicity. I do not care about compiling to WebAssembly every language in the world.

and ignore that you are running in webbrowser

13:53

lol

13:53

>no one knows the answer

13:53

Improved JavaScript with good documentation and simplicity typescript + webpack

13:53

tongue

Improved JavaScript with good documentation and simplicity typescript + webpack

typescript not supported in chrome devtools and everywhere else

13:54

Uoou-Not-the-egg

typescript not supported in chrome devtools and everywhere else

it does

13:56

you can even set breakpoint actually

13:56

13:58

and see the variables

13:58

in typescript

13:58

but it's fucking complicated to setup

13:58

i took almost half a year to finish a "quite simple" app

tongue

it does

https://stackoverflow.com/a/48969690/3789797

Can i use TypeScript in place of JavaScript to make a Webpage?

I'm actually a total newbie on programming, and i would like to learn how to make a proper webpage. Html, CSS and JavaScript is the basic trio for web programming according to what I've researched....

Uoou-Not-the-egg

https://stackoverflow.com/a/48969690/3789797

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23075748/how-to-compile-typescript-code-in-the-browser

How to compile TypeScript code in the browser?

Is it possible to run the TypeScript compiler in the browser for transpiling TS to JS 100% in the browser. The use case would be implementing an online TypeScript IDE that runs 100% client side and...

tongue

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23075748/how-to-compile-typescript-code-in-the-browser

14:01

or, just compile with TSC and webpack into JS, and you can still use the debugger, with correct types

How about I compile C to JavaScript

14:03

And then say that it is supported in the Chrome Devtools and everywhere where the JavaScript exists

no i mean you can see "file.ts" directly in chrome devtools

14:03

but you can't with C and emcc

Well yes it's possible to "see" the C language too. After embedding the whole JavaScript engine.

14:04

And overheating your CPU in the process.

14:06

Also, you will be nonstandard technology user and it will be hassle to maintain it all, just like TypeScript (edited)

Uoou-Not-the-egg

Well yes it's possible to "see" the C language too. After embedding the whole JavaScript engine.

https://medium.com/geekculture/how-to-debug-typescript-files-with-chrome-browser-83a4911996e2

How to Debug

TypeScript Files with Chrome Browser

This is a really useful way to debug TypeScript files, and it isn’t difficult at all, let’s debug TypeScript files and find bugs…

14:07

i mean chrome devtools has special support for typescript + js.map files, if you use the tsc compiler properly

14:07

but if you do C + emcc + webassembly, it will be completely custom

14:09

so when i'm writing index.ts, in the devtools i can still go line by line

14:09

as index.ts

14:09

with the readable variable names

Uoou-Not-the-egg

Click to see attachment 🖼️

instead of the compiled one

14:09

unlike C or pyodide

14:10

https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/09/debugging-typescript-in-firefox-devtools/

Jan Honza Odvarko

Debugging TypeScript in Firefox DevTools – Mozilla Hacks - the Web ...

Firefox Debugger has evolved into a fast and reliable tool chain over the past several months and it’s now supporting many cool features. Though it's primarily used to debug JavaScript, ...

14:10

even firefox supported it since a long time ago

14:12

just take a look at the example here http://janodvarko.cz/firefox/devtools/examples/typescript/hello/

14:13

https://riptutorial.com/typescript/example/3982/hello-world

TypeScript Tutorial => Hello World

Learn TypeScript - Hello World

14:13

All I wanted is Hello World.

14:14

And the greeting from the TypeScript never reached me.

14:17

14:18

This one was garbage, no idea why I even bookmarked

tongue

https://hacks.mozilla.org/2019/09/debugging-typescript-in-firefox-devtools/

read the article carefully

14:18

there is hello world.

14:18

the only additional step is tsc -sourcemap hello.ts

Send me in .zip file

tongue

the only additional step is tsc -sourcemap hello.ts

Alright no need

do not send me

not to mention, the debugging happens inside the ts file, and not the js file

14:23

so i conclude difficulty: webassembly > ts > js types: webassembly >= ts >>>> js systematic development and ease of debugging: ts > js >>>> webassembly (edited)

tongue

not to mention, the debugging happens inside the ts file, and not the js file

I'm aware of that since 2018

14:23

or even earlier

Uoou-Not-the-egg

Click to see attachment 🖼️

>bookmarking putin things

14:27

Well, it's only an additional step to have a browser that supports C natively. I mean why even care about Google Chrome, when it's only an additional step. It's only an additional step to make a new Linux Distribution instead of using libinput packed ones that do not support regular mouse acceleration

tongue

>bookmarking putin things

14:27

Haven't done in years

14:28

The only links in like 6 months period and they were by accident there

14:29

going back to our discussion

14:33

in the history of all web browsers

14:33

has any webbrowser supported any other scripting language, for DOM layout

14:33

besides JS

14:34

maybe there was, in the medieval times.

Sure, even I thought to make a browser that support D language for scripting.

14:34

There should be projects on github. for languages like lua

https://luakit.github.io/docs/classes/dom_element.html

14:37

only for userscripts

14:37

and still not in the middle of the webpage

14:37

Well when there is google chrome, and everyone uses it, most people have no reasons or skills to develop something while struggling to fight for their life in a market economy

Up until IE 10 you could also use the monstrosity called VBscript or Visual Basic Scripting edition. But naturally that also only works in IE meaning that it’s not really useful in normal web development.

But I'm pretty sure I've found at least a few browser projects that support other language than JavaScript.

14:39

There should be hundreds or thousands out there in the internets.

i will try to dig up HTML standard, surely they didn't limit <script> tag to javascript only

14:40

because js is invented after html

14:40

(module
    ;; Imports from JavaScript namespace
    (import  "console"  "log" (func  $log (param  i32  i32))) ;; Import log function
    (import  "js"  "mem" (memory  1)) ;; Import 1 page of memory (54kb)
   
    ;; Data section of our module
    (data (i32.const 0) "Hello World from WebAssembly!")
   
    ;; Function declaration: Exported as helloWorld(), no arguments
    (func (export  "helloWorld")
        i32.const 0  ;; pass offset 0 to log
        i32.const 29  ;; pass length 29 to log (strlen of sample text)
        call  $log
        )
)

14:41

hello world in webassembly

14:41

and yet still you need WebAssembly.instantiateStreaming(fetch('helloworld.wasm'), importObject), to load it. (edited)

14:41

all roads lead to javascript

tongue

all roads lead to javascript

Same problem with Typescript, all roads lead to javascript.

https://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/interact/scripts.html

I do not even want to spend any amount of energy on such discussions, since it is clearly not working in the browser without layers.

In this example, we declare the default scripting language to be "text/tcl". We include one SCRIPT in the header, whose script is located in an external file and is in the scripting language "text/vbscript". We also include one SCRIPT in the body, which contains its own script written in "text/javascript".

And Google does not care

14:43

nor Mozilla does care about Typescript.

14:43

Therefore no docs.

14:43

And only scrappy community

14:43

that barely holds.

14:45

No efforts are made toward typescript

google cares about TS, angular is based on TS

14:45

some niche testing projects, sure

14:45

Tell me, when I will be able to use ts script from the script tag.

14:46

Then I'll listen

14:46

Without downloading the whole TS framework to make it run in the browser.

14:46

Or hacks

14:52

Or some transpiling software that translate from TypeScript to JavaScript and then JavaScript being reparsed, by some natively included Chrome extension made by some

14:53

And call it a support of the language in the browser.

14:53

Yeah it is a support in the browser.

14:53

^^ made by some guys like these

14:54

and then dropped

14:54

without care.

14:54

Thing is, it doesn't work in the script tag and requires transpilation.

14:55

Third party additional software to handle it all

14:55

and the support in the Chrome is barely minimal and unrecognised. (edited)

14:56

Not to mention that devtools for TypeScript would have to be completely revamped

14:57

To be called as a supported language by the Chrome. (edited)

14:59

Now it's just javascript devtools adjusted for typescript

Uoou-Not-the-egg

some niche testing projects, sure

i don't mean to be rude, but don't know where you got that impression i think the majority of modern frontend projects and libraries that is not some

's testing project is done in TS now the rate of TS usage increases to 100% if you use framework like react / angular / C# .net, because it is in the default settings of the framework

15:00

mostly, it saves the developer much headache of things like Uncaught TypeError: null has no properties in normal javascript

tongue

i don't mean to be rude, but don't know where you got that impression i think the majority of modern frontend projects and libraries that is not some

's testing project is done in TS now the rate of TS usage increases to 100% if you use framework like react / angular / C# .net, because it is in the default settings of the framework

Look, I can't use it in the script tag, that's all the impression I need as a developer. (edited)

15:01

Second thing is complexity of usage.

15:02

It does not solve problems, TypeScript is just another problem and divides the developers.

15:03

It's not included as a replacement for JavaScript, or as an alternative.

15:03

In the browsers.

15:04

Give me a call, when Typescript is supported in the <script> tag in Firefox and Chrome and other browsers. (edited)

Uoou-Not-the-egg

Look, I can't use it in the script tag, that's all the impression I need as a developer. (edited)

writing <script> tag manually is considered suboptimal practice now, because browser doesn't know when to clear the cache, and sometimes you may need to ask the user to do shift-f5 a_HmmmThinking

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35176489/what-is-the-purpose-of-webpack-hash-and-chunkhash

What is the purpose of webpack [hash] and [chunkhash]?

Could somebody tell me what is the the purpose [hash] and [chunkhash] and where do they come from? output: { path: "/home/proj/cdn/assets/[hash]", publicPath: "http://cdn.example.com/assets/[

Uoou-Not-the-egg

It does not solve problems, TypeScript is just another problem and divides the developers.

but default JS is already so unusable TS never created any new problems, because after all, things written in TS is still compatible with all web browsers a_HmmmThinking

(edited)

Uoou-Not-the-egg

Second thing is complexity of usage.

okay, this one i agree. this could be blamed on npm ecosystem, in general

15:09

in fact, due to having "additional step", TS is even compatible with IE6 https://github.com/boiyama/ie6-compatible-spa-ts

GitHub - boiyama/ie6-compatible-spa-ts

Contribute to boiyama/ie6-compatible-spa-ts development by creating an account on GitHub.

tongue

but default JS is already so unusable TS never created any new problems, because after all, things written in TS is still compatible with all web browsers a_HmmmThinking

(edited)

Yeah, why use an unusable TS then

15:11

Even your favorite text editor added support for it a_Hmmge

JavaScript is good enough for very small and effective projects.

tongue

Click to see attachment 🖼️

They support everything

15:11

Whatever you throw at them.

15:11

That's why notepad++ is great

15:11

But also a garbage of a project when looked at source code

15:13

If a language is transpiled, barely supported in the browser, it is

15:14

It's hard to even call it a support

15:14

It's very relative

15:14

term

https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/userDefinedLanguages/blob/master/udl-list.md

userDefinedLanguages/udl-list.md at master · notepad-plus-plus/user...

Contribute to notepad-plus-plus/userDefinedLanguages development by creating an account on GitHub.

15:14

there are tons of languages np++ doesn't support

15:14

like

15:14

Qt

15:14

visual studio

Yea

15:15

that's great

15:15

I do not care about visual studio

15:15

and it's not a language

so why all of these languages are unsupported, but typescript become officially supported

15:15

it is, .sln files are its own syntax

15:15

qt is a framework

>mirc

tongue

so why all of these languages are unsupported, but typescript become officially supported

'cause accidents happen, I could put an effort to bring in tongue script if you want

all these people trying to invent their own languages vomit

Nobody that uses Notepad++ do try to use Visual Studio

15:17

At least yet

15:17

The only time I use Visual Studio is just to check how closed sourced the tools are that are required to for example insert a manifest file into .exe executable.

15:18

I no need more nonsensical extension names like .sln

15:19

They could have easily get away with an extension name like .project

15:19

If you don't care about this, I do not care about your software

15:20

If you do not care about simplicity and ease of use.

15:20

That's the single biggest problem in software development that makes things hard.